here in colorado, christy is eight points ahead of hillary clinton. obama is hurting the ticket so i think the party is getting the idea they could win. not only in pos 14 for the senate -- in '14 for the senate but also in '16. >> going into the election, it looks okay, but the fact of the matter is this party since has been able to claim and drag o out -- defeat from the clear jaws of victory and who is to say they won't screw up again and what could risk that. >> you are right. and there are a lot of things that could happen between now and 2014. but it was the nominees they came up in several senate seats that really hurt them. >> right, right. >> as i say, i guess my sense is they have now had a long session of learning on this. so that if they are even remotely pragmatic, they want to find a person who is both going to shake up washington, but also has a track record of getting things done. because it looks now, for example, even the discussions on the budget, that both sides recognize that the public is so unhappy with washington, d.c. that the